They debate “top 3 long-term holdings” and then pivot into a bigger conversation about Tesla and humanoid robotics.

One side picks Amgen, Eli Lilly, and Google as a 5-year core because healthcare demand is steady, those companies “print money,” and Google adds durable tech exposure with less drawdown risk. The other side counters with Nvidia, Google, and TSM (and briefly considers Tesla as a high-upside 5-year bet).

From there, the discussion turns into a push-and-pull on Elon and Tesla’s pivot: supporters argue Tesla is really a software, robotics, and autonomy play and that Elon knows how to pick the next dominant category; skeptics argue it’s speculative, Tesla’s car business has weakened, politics could create backlash, and founders like Elon get more forgiveness (and access to capital) than most entrepreneurs.

They end by agreeing robotics is real and coming, especially for factory and repetitive work, but questioning the extreme forecasts like “hundreds of millions” of humanoid robots in the near term.

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