For this week’s episode, Emily was thrilled to chat with Ask Polly and Ask Molly columnist Heather Havrilesky, whose new book, "Foreverland: On the Divine Tedium of Marriage" is out February 8. Emily and Heather talk parenting in a pandemic, anxiety, exercise, ambition, what it takes to make a marriage work, and how being a good-enough mom is enough.

HEATHER’S NEW BOOK, FOREVERLAND

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