In Session 12 - Arno Michaelis: Author, Anti-Extremism Activist and Former White Nationalist (Side B) - 361
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In Session 12 - Arno Michaelis: Author, Anti-Extremism Activist and Former White Nationalist (Side B) - 361
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In part two of our interview Arno Michaelis, we navigate the bizarre intersection of music, ideology, and redemption.
If you've ever wondered how extremist movements actually work, this offers some great insight. Arno gives us the inside scoop on how a skinhead band like Centurion shifted 20,000 records whilst still getting royally ripped off by their label boss.
We also chat about right wing ideology and symbolism, as Arno discusses how antisemitism serves as what "the connective tissue" that binds seemingly opposing extremist groups together.We delve into the psychological mechanics too. Taking in everything from Norse fantasy to Tolkien, as well as the very large psychological leaps bands like Skrewdriver had to take to justify playing rock n roll music and Jewish cabaret tunes. Arno also talks about how the music of the Beastie Boys was something of a saving grace as he exited the movement, and he tells us about how a MySpace message in the early 00s regarding his former band, Centurion, led him to reckon with the legacy of poison he created. Whilst also giving him the impetus to try to be a force for good in the world.
Grab a cuppa and dive in.
Highlights: 00:00 Introduction and Conspiracy Culture 00:14 Steve's Transformation and Ideological Shift 00:53 The Neo-Nazi Rally Experience 02:58 Influence of the Church of the Creator 04:50 Disillusionment and Internal Conflicts 10:33 The Music Scene and White Power Bands 19:57 Tattoos and Symbolism in the Movement 26:47 Fantasy, Mythology, and White Nationalism 30:35 Symbolism and Corruption 30:50 The Mystique of Subcultures 31:46 Esoteric Symbols and Internet Mechanics 32:49 Trends in Holocaust Denial 34:12 Healthy Introspection vs. Obfuscation 35:53 Indicators of Radicalisation 41:35 The Role of Martial Arts in Youth Development 50:52 The Impact of Good Coaches and Mentors 53:00 Current Trends in Radicalisation 58:13 Arno's Musical Journey and Final Thoughts