In this episode with Rishi Dave, a partner in Bain's Commercial Excellence practice with deep expertise in B2B marketing and digital marketing, he explains the concept of a "Day 1 List" in B2B sales and marketing and the three things that will get a supplier or seller on the list. Rishi also discussed what a "sales play" is, how to build it, institutionalize the knowledge within the company, and get the sales team to adopt the sales play to fulfill their potential and increase their productivity and sales.

Rishi Dave partners with CMOs and management teams to drive marketing transformations and build modern marketing capabilities. He serves as an expert on the implementation of Bain's B2B Marketing Diagnostic and Sales Play System.

Rishi has held global CMO roles at public technology and cloud companies, including Dun & Bradstreet, Vonage, and MongoDB. Prior to these roles, he served as the global head of digital marketing for Dell's B2B businesses. Rishi started his career at Bain & Company.

As a marketing executive, Rishi has built world-class marketing organizations and capabilities that have driven top-line growth leveraging the right marketing technology, data, analytics and content strategy. Rishi has driven major brand and messaging transformations, reimagined digital customer experiences, and built and scaled go-to market models.

Rishi earned an MBA in Marketing from The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania as well as a BS in Chemical Engineering and an AB in Economics with Honors from Stanford University.

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In this episode, we dive deep into the critical topic of self-deception and its profound impact on leadership and personal effectiveness. Mitch shares powerful insights on how self-deception can undermine our relationships and professional success, often without us even realizing it. He explains the concept of self-betrayal and how it leads to a distorted view of ourselves and others, creating unnecessary conflicts and reducing our influence as leaders. Mitch shares a valuable advice on how to rebuild trust in relationships damaged by self-deception and how to not let it happen again.

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Neri Karra Sillaman, entrepreneurship advisor at the University of Oxford and author of Pioneers: Eight Principles of Business Longevity from Immigrant Entrepreneurs, discusses why immigrant-founded companies are disproportionately successful and tend to last longer than their counterparts. Drawing on her experience as a former child refugee and on research that began with her PhD, she explains how longevity is built through clear vision, perseverance, community, shared value, and disciplined decision-making.

She begins with the formative role of vision. At age eleven, while living in a refugee camp, education became her "north star." That clarity helped her interpret rejection not as failure but as "not yet," a mindset she later observed repeatedly among immigrant entrepreneurs. Clear intent, she argues, allows setbacks to redirect effort rather than extinguish it.

The conversation then turns to the principles she identified through interviews with immigrant founders of companies such as Chobani, Duolingo, WhatsApp, and Calendly. These include treating rejection as the beginning of negotiation, building community as a core operating system rather than a marketing tactic, and prioritizing shared value before profit. She emphasizes that many founders focus first on contributing to customers, suppliers, and local communities, with financial results following from that orientation.

Sillaman also explains how history and heritage function as assets rather than liabilities. Rather than discarding their past, immigrant entrepreneurs draw on cultural memory and lived experience to shape vision and execution in the present. This integration of past, present, and future becomes central to how long-lived businesses are built.

Another recurring theme is luck. She notes that founders consistently describe themselves as "lucky," but defines luck not as chance, but as a capability: being prepared enough to recognize opportunity and willing to act decisively when it appears.

The discussion also addresses technology and AI. As tools become more powerful, she argues, human creativity, judgment, and connection become more important, not less. She suggests that imperfections and visible signs of human authorship may increasingly signal authenticity in an automated environment.

Throughout the episode, Sillaman challenges dominant models of ego-centered leadership. She contrasts short-lived, personality-driven leadership with approaches that place attention on the work, the community served, and the legacy left behind. Longevity, she concludes, depends not only on how businesses grow, but on how they treat people and define the value they exist to create.

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