Incredibly — given the breadth and heft of his career — this is the first time Tom Odell has hopped on our couch. The English songwriter’s been soul-searching and plundering his own emotional depths to sett to piano-driven pop since 2013, signing to Lily Allen’s short-lived Sony imprint (more on that in the chat), and releasing instant smash ‘Another Love.’ It’s a song that’s taken on a whole new meaning and had a whole new lease of life thanks to TikTok, finding uplifting resonance for many amidst the ongoing Ukranian-Russian war.

Now an independent artist — let’s just say major label life was rough despite his success — Odell is back with his new, seventh album, A Wonderful Life. And he’s playing arenas! We find out about its creation, existential dread brought on by observances of this modern age, not to mention introspection and the dark before the light.

He also discusses his unique relationship with Billie Eilish (who he just finished touring with), and FINNEAS, the resurgence of ‘Another Love,’ and the power of audience and authenticity. We go deep into self-analysis, body-image and perception on new song ‘Ugly,’ anxiety, and the tough times he had in 2021, struggling to sell shows before leaving Sony and phoenix rising-style absolutely smashing it (to borrow British parlance). There was also quite a harrowing encounter with a rattlesnake in Utah, plus so much more.

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