In this episode of the Canary Cast, Florian Hagenbuch, Co-Founder and General partner at Canary, sits down with Jose Gedeon, co-founder and CEO of Cobre, a Colombian fintech building the real-time B2B payments and cross-border infrastructure powering finance teams across Latin America. From his early fascination with M-Pesa’s case at the University of Pennsylvania, to failed attempts at building his own mobile money business in Colombia, a stint as a consultant at McKinsey New York, and a role at Oyo in Mexico, José shares how each chapter of his journey shaped the vision for Cobre. What started as white-label wallets for meal vouchers during the pandemic evolved into Colombia’s leading real-time B2B payments platform, now expanding rapidly into Mexico and cross-border flows. During the episode, José reflects on the unique challenges of scaling a fintech in LatAm, the pivotal customer moments that unlocked entirely new business lines, and the ambition of turning Cobre into the default infrastructure for payments across the region. In this episode, we dive into: From White-Label Wallets to Infrastructure: How Cobre pivoted from building digital wallets for meal vouchers into real-time B2B payments and treasury management. Cross-Border Breakthroughs: The customer emergency that sparked Cobre’s cross-border product and how it led to a new revenue line. The Role of Stablecoins: Why stablecoins are becoming increasingly relevant in illiquid or high-cost currency corridors like Colombia, Turkey, and Argentina. Scaling in Mexico: How Cobre reached $100M in monthly volume in only 8 months in Mexico—10x faster than in Colombia. Vision for the Future: Why Jose believes it’s still “day zero” for Cobre and how the company aims to become the de facto B2B payment infrastructure for LatAm. Founder Lessons: Biggest mistakes, wins, and the cultural values that define the Cobre team. Whether you’re a founder, operator, or fintech enthusiast, this episode offers a masterclass in product pivots, client-focused culture, scaling infrastructure in emerging markets, and building with ambition in one of the most dynamic regions in the world. Tune in to hear how Cobre is not only modernizing payments in Colombia and Mexico, but also shaping the future of financial infrastructure across Latin America. Guest: Jose GedeonJose is the co-founder and CEO of Cobre, a fintech modernizing B2B payments and cross-border infrastructure in Latin America. Cobre moves billions annually, already processing ~3% of Colombia’s GDP, and recently raised its Series B led by Oak HC/FT, with participation from Canary and other global investors. Follow Jose on LinkedIn Host: Florian HagenbuchFlorian is the co-founder and General Partner at Canary, a leading early-stage investment firm in Brazil and Latin America. Canary has invested in more than 130 companies since its founding in 2017. Previously, Florian founded Loft, a company that digitized and transformed the home buying experience in Brazil, bringing transparency, liquidity, and credit to millions of Brazilians. Before that, Florian also co-founded Printi, the leading online printing marketplace in Latin America. Follow Florian on LinkedInHighlights:00:55 – 07:30 | Jose's Background & Early Influences07:30 – 08:08 | The Impact of COVID on Colombia's Financial Digitization08:10 – 11:07 | University Years, Early Attempts & Lessons Learned11:16 – 14:47 | Corporate Finance Pain Points Cobre Set Out to Solve & the First Iteration: White-Label Wallets14:55 – 16:11 | Cobre's First Business Model and Learnings on Pricing Power and Revenue Potential16:20 – 18:57 | Pivot to Real-Time B2B Payments and Building Colombia's First and Only Real-Time B2B Payment Infrastructure19:00 – 21:00 | Bre-B, the "PIX" of Colombia21:02 – 26:19 | Expansion into Cross-Border Payments and Different Customer Bases26:20 – 28:54 | Money Corridors in Colombia29:00 – 32:22 | Stablecoins & Tech Stack in Cross-Border Payments33:00 – 36:00 | Expansion to Mexico & Early Learnings 36:00 – 37:00 | Key Numbers, Scale & Vision37:00 – 43:07 | Future Plans and Raising Successful Venture Rounds43:08 – 47:40 | Founder Lessons & Culture47:40 – 52:12 | Conclusion: Recommended Content for ListenersRecommended Content: 1. Elon Musk biography by Walter Isaacson2. The World for Sale by Javier Blas and Jack Farchy3. Read, Write, Own by Chris DixonTranscrição do Episódio em Português: Hoje, estamos movimentando cerca de 3% do PIB da Colômbia dentro da Cobre.É um número muito grande.Mas, ao mesmo tempo, também é pequeno.Copo meio cheio, copo meio vazio.Isso nos dá bastante espaço para crescer. Agora, mudando para o inglês, para facilitar um pouco para você.José, muito obrigado por estar aqui. Agradeço por dedicar seu tempo. Estou muito animado para conversar com você. Como contexto, o José é cofundador e CEO da Cobre, uma fintech colombiana que está se expandindo para o ...
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