Emily Kircher-Morris chats with Emily Paige Ballou about the need for a more nuanced conversation around identity and support for neurodivergent individuals. They talk about the social model of disability, and the implications of public discourse on autism. They also explore the superpower narrative, and the importance of understanding both strengths and challenges of neurodivergent individuals. They touch on the cultural context of autism today, and critiques of the label of Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA).

TAKEAWAYS

• Neurodiversity is rooted in the concept of biodiversity.

• The term neurodiversity is often misused in mainstream conversations.

• Disability is an inherent part of human diversity.

• The superpower narrative can overshadow the challenges of neurodivergence.

• Support must address both strengths and disabilities.

• The social model of disability is a useful framework but has limitations.

• Identity-related statements can be problematic and oversimplified.

• PDA may obscure underlying issues rather than clarify them.

• Public discourse on autism is regressing in some areas.

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Emily Paige Ballou is an AEA stage manager specializing in new plays and musicals based in New York City. She is also the co-editor of Sincerely, Your Autistic Child: What People on the Autism Spectrum Wish Their Parents Knew about Growing Up, Acceptance, and Identity (Beacon Press), a collection of essays offering insights from autistic individuals on self-acceptance and advocacy.

Emily has contributed writing to Thinking Person’s Guide to Autism, OnStage Blog, and has forthcoming work in Champagne Room Journal. Beyond her work in theater and writing, she is an avid hiker and a devoted Kansas City Royals baseball fan. Her personal reflections and essays can be found on her blog, Chavisory's Notebook.

BACKGROUND READING

Emily’s blog, Instagram, BlueSky

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Emily Kircher-Morris welcomes registered dietician Jackie Silver, who specializes in nutrition for neurodivergent people. They discuss the unique challenges faced by the neurodiversity community, including sensory differences, interoception, and executive functioning barriers that complicate meal planning and nutrition. They also talk about practical strategies to support the neurodivergent people in your life with making good dietary choices. They identify and analyze disordered eating patterns, and discuss the significance of self-compassion in the journey towards better nutrition.

TAKEAWAYS

• Many dietitians overlook the unique needs of neurodivergent clients.

• Meal planning can be overwhelming for those with executive dysfunction.

• It's important to work within people's "safe foods."

• Sensory sensitivities can greatly impact food choices and preferences.

• Interoception plays a crucial role in recognizing hunger and fullness cues.

• Mechanical eating can help those with suppressed appetites due to medication.

• Small, manageable changes can lead to significant improvements in nutrition.

• Disordered eating patterns are common among neurodivergent people, especially with ADHD.

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Jackie Silver is a NYC-based Registered Dietitian and founder of Jackie Silver Nutrition, a virtual private practice specializing in supporting neurodivergent kids, teens, and adults with ADHD, ASD and IDD. Her practice is neurodiversity-affirming, nonjudgmental, and weight-inclusive.

he holds a Master of Health Science in Nutrition Communication from Toronto Metropolitan University and has additional training in mindful eating and sensory-based feeding therapy. Jackie works with clients across New York, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Ontario, and beyond, offering support with meal planning, selective eating, digestive health, chronic disease management, and more.

In her free time, Jackie enjoys rock climbing, yoga, Pilates, swimming, travel, museums, and spending time with family and friends.

BACKGROUND READING

Jackie’s website, Instagram, Free Grab & Go Foods list, Jackie’s meal prep course, Jackie’s consultation

Emily Kircher-Morris welcomes Dr. Ari Tuckman for a conversation about time blindness, the complexities of ADHD, and the stigma surrounding the disorder. They discuss why ADHD is more about the struggle to convert attention into action than a lack of knowledge. They talk about how and why ADHD affects time perception and performance under pressure. If you're prone to procrastination, anxiety, and time management issues, this is an episode you need to hear.

TAKEAWAYS

• ADHD is often misunderstood as a lack of attention rather than a difficulty in converting attention into action.

• Time perception in ADHD can be distorted, leading to challenges in planning and prioritizing tasks.

• Individuals with ADHD may perform better under pressure, but this can lead to anxiety and self-doubt.

• The internalized stigma can cause ADHD individuals to feel like frauds despite their successes.

• Social dynamics play a significant role in how ADHD behaviors are perceived by others.

• The pressure to conform to neurotypical standards can hinder the ability to find effective personal strategies.

• ADHD can contribute to anxiety, not just in the individual but also in those around them. Procrastination can also cause anxiety for others around you.

• Time management involves multiple components, including attention management.

• Physical clocks can help with time perception.

• Alarms are reminders, not motivators.

• Gamifying tasks can reduce procrastination.

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Ari Tuckman, PsyD, MBA, is a psychologist, author, and recognized expert in adult ADHD with over two decades of experience in the field. He has written five books on ADHD and is a sought-after international speaker, known for his engaging presentations that combine insight, humor, and practical strategies to help individuals better understand and manage ADHD.

In addition to his clinical work, Dr. Tuckman has been a strong advocate for increasing awareness and access to effective ADHD treatment. He regularly contributes to professional publications, podcasts, and conferences, providing guidance for both individuals with ADHD and the professionals who support them. As a leading voice in the field, he is dedicated to empowering neurodivergent individuals to thrive in both personal and professional settings.

BACKGROUND READING

The ADHD Productivity Manual on Amazon, Ari Tuckman’s website and books

A term has been gaining traction over the last few years: AuDHD. Today, Emily Kircher-Morris is talking with Mattia Maurée, a neurodivergent individual who is both ADHD and autistic. They talk about how the two diagnoses blend together, one side desiring routine and sameness, while the other seeks novelty and change. They also discuss the challenges of receiving accurate diagnoses, the impact of stigma on neurodivergent individuals, how career pathways are affected, Mattia’s personal experiences of being misunderstood and judged, and the importance of community. The conversation covers many other subjects as well, and is also part of an earlier episode.

TAKEAWAYS

• ADHD and autism can coexist in individuals, with one part of them desiring routine and sameness while the other seeks novelty and change.

• Receiving accurate diagnoses for neurodivergent individuals can be challenging, as the symptoms of different conditions can overlap and mask each other.

• Stigma and misunderstandings surrounding neurodivergent individuals are pervasive and can lead to discrimination and mistreatment.

• Being twice exceptional, with both ADHD and autism, can result in unique challenges and experiences, including being misunderstood and judged by others.

• When Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) is a factor, it can lead to difficulties in regulating the nervous system, and can have a significant impact on daily life.

• Finding a career that aligns with one's interests and strengths is crucial for neurodivergent individuals.

• Community support and understanding are essential for neurodivergent individuals to thrive and feel deeply understood.

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Mattia Maurée is an AuDHD coach and host of the AuDHD Flourishing Podcast. Creative outlets in music and the arts became their refuge through a childhood full of unpredictability. Confronting their trauma sparked an interest in the topic and Mattia led them to their autism diagnosis in their 30’s, as well as finding somatic neurodivergent-friendly methods of working through their depression and anxiety. They now share their experiences to give hope to queer, trans, and neurodivergent youth and young adults through their coaching, and embrace the philosophy of “feel better first.”

BACKGROUND READING

AuDHD Flourishing website, AuDHD Flourishing podcast, TikTok

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On episode 270, Emily Kircher-Morris welcomes Dr. Taylor Day, a licensed psychologist who specializes in neuro-affirming care for autistic children and their families. They discuss the complexities of Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) in children, and the importance of understanding neurodiversity and the need for family-centered care. They cover the challenges of identifying PDA, the risks of misdiagnosis, and the necessity of adapting parenting and therapeutic strategies to better support children with this profile. They also validate parents' experiences and intuition, and endorse a holistic approach to autism care that considers the needs of the entire family.

TAKEAWAYS

• PDA is a conceptualization rather than a formal diagnosis.

• Validating lived experiences is crucial for families.

• Research on PDA is progressing slowly.

• Parents often face dismissal in the medical community.

• PDA behaviors may resemble defiance or oppositionality.

• Affirming approaches can prevent family burnout.

• Quality of services is more important than quantity.

• Parents are the experts on their children.

• Therapy can take many forms beyond traditional methods.

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Dr. Taylor Day is a licensed psychologist specializing in neuro-affirming care for autistic children and their families, with a focus on early diagnosis and intervention. She is the CEO and founder of Dr. Tay Concierge Clinical Care, where she developed The Whole Family Approach, an evidence-informed model designed to address gaps in autism care by supporting both children and their families.

Dr. Day holds a Ph.D. in clinical psychology and is dedicated to advancing early childhood autism support through personalized, family-centered interventions. Her passion for child psychology and autism advocacy is deeply rooted in her personal experience growing up with a brother diagnosed at 23 months of age.

BACKGROUND READING

Dr Day’s website, Instagram, EVOLVE with Dr. Tay: The Podcast of Parents of Autistic Kids (Spotify)

Speech Dude Chris Wenger joins Emily Kircher-Morris to discuss the importance of shifting from compliance-based educational strategies to more affirming practices for neurodivergent students. They explore the significance of creating safe and regulated environments, the difference between belonging and fitting in, and the need to redefine social goals to foster authentic connections among students. They talk about the value of autonomy, community building, and understanding the unique challenges faced by high school students in the context of neurodiversity.

TAKEAWAYS

• The shift from compliance-based strategies to affirming support is crucial for neurodivergent students.

• Belonging is more important than fitting in for neurodivergent individuals.

• Social goals should focus on authentic connections rather than masking behaviors.

• Autonomy in decision-making enhances both student and teacher experiences.

• Intersectionality plays a significant role in the experiences of neurodivergent individuals.

• After school clubs can foster connections between neurodivergent and neuro-normative students.

• Normalizing neurodivergent behaviors can enhance acceptance in schools.

• The DASL assessment tool focuses on strengths rather than deficits.

• Language used in reports can affect parent-child dynamics.

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Chris Wenger is a neurodivergent high school speech-language pathologist with over 20 years of experience, an international speaker, and the creator of the Dynamic Assessment of Social Emotional Learning, a strengths-based assessment designed for autistic students. He is also the founder of NeuroAffirm, a groundbreaking global directory that connects neurodivergent individuals and their families with affirming providers.

Widely known as Speech Dude, Chris has built a global following of nearly one million on social media, where he shares educational and inspiring content infused with humor. His work focuses on making neuroaffirming practices more accessible while empowering educators, therapists, and families to better support neurodivergent learners.

BACKGROUND READING

Instagram, TikTok, Speech Dude

School refusal and distress are the subject of the day, as Emily Kircher-Morris welcomes child psychologist and former school psychologist, Dr. Emily King. They discuss the importance of understanding the underlying causes of anxiety, the need for neurodiversity-affirming approaches, and the balance between structure and flexibility in educational settings. The also discuss the importance of grace, connection, and individualized strategies when helping children navigate their emotional experiences.

TAKEAWAYS

• School refusal is often a response to anxiety, not an active choice.

• Understanding the difference between school refusal and school distress is crucial.

• Patterns of anxiety can vary based on environmental factors.

• Children may need different levels of support depending on their emotional state.

• Co-regulation is essential for helping children manage anxiety.

• Predictability in routines can help reduce anxiety for neurodivergent children.

• Flexibility within structure is important in educational settings.

• Parents should focus on what is necessary in their routines to reduce stress.

• Exit plans can empower children and reduce feelings of being trapped.

• Every child's experience is unique, and strategies should be individualized.

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Dr. Emily King is a child psychologist and former school psychologist with over 20 years of experience working with neurodivergent children and teens. She began her career specializing in school-based mental health in K-12 public schools in Houston, Texas, before transitioning to private practice in North Carolina, where she now supports the mental health needs of neurodivergent youth, their families, and educators.

Dr. Emily is the creator of The Neurodiverse Classroom, a professional development curriculum for educators, and hosts Learn with Dr. Emily on Substack, where she shares blogs, live workshops, and insights on neurodiversity and education. Her upcoming book, The Neurodivergent Learner, will be available for presale in early 2026. Her expertise has been featured on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Parents.com.

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Facebook, Instagram, Threads, LinkedIn

Today, Emily Kircher-Morris and Meredith Polsky look into the complexities of selective mutism, exploring its definitions, the importance of language in understanding it, and the personal experiences that led Meredith to specialize in this area. They discuss the myths surrounding selective mutism, and its manifestation as an anxiety disorder rather than a choice or a form of shyness. Meredith shares her journey as a parent of children with selective mutism and the challenges she faced in finding appropriate treatment, ultimately leading her to become a clinician herself. They explore the challenges of diagnosis, and provide effective therapeutic techniques. This is a must-listen for adults supporting children with selective mutism.

TAKEAWAYS

• Selective mutism is often misunderstood as a choice.

• Language matters in discussing selective mutism.

• The term 'situational mutism' is gaining popularity.

• Parents play a crucial role in treatment.

• Selective mutism is an anxiety disorder, not shyness.

• Pushing children to speak can increase anxiety.

• There is a lack of awareness among clinicians about selective mutism.

• Selective mutism can complicate the diagnosis of autism.

• Children with selective mutism may not exhibit typical anxiety responses.

• Effective communication strategies are crucial for children with selective mutism.

Register here for a free one-hour continuing education webinar entitled The Cost of Camouflage: Exploring Masking and Burnout in Neurodivergent Clients. It’s a free service of the Neurodiversity University!

Meredith Polsky, LCSW is a licensed clinical social worker specializing in Selective Mutism through her private practice, Counseling Out Loud. With a career dedicated to supporting children with diverse needs, she also serves as the Senior Director of Programs and Partnerships at Matan, Inc., an organization she co-founded in 2000 to promote inclusion in education.

Meredith is the co-author of the award-winning I Have a Question children’s book series (Jessica Kingsley Publishers), which helps children—both with and without disabilities—navigate complex topics. She holds a BA in Psychology from the University of Michigan, an MA in Early Childhood Special Education from Bank Street College, an MA in Clinical Social Work from Columbia University, and a graduate certificate in Early Intervention from Georgetown University.

BACKGROUND READING

Counseling Out Loud, Matan, I Have a Question, LinkedIn, Selective Mutism Association